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Puellula - A Celebration of the Splendor
of Little Girls
The Girl Love Webring
Posted: 22 July 2002, 1:00 a.m. Eastern
Meet 'Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA' Website celebrates
sex between adult women, young girls By Art Moore
Celebrating erotic relationships between
women and young girls is the theme of a website called "Butterfly
Kisses,*" which indicates the
relatively unknown fact that pedophilia exists in significant
numbers among females. [* http://home.uni-one.nl/hostroom/supergirl/
While the site's creators do not identify themselves,
posted articles show how some advocates are attempting to
create an academic rationale for what is commonly and legally
regarded as abuse and molestation.
"It's very dangerous when you begin
to see women organize in the same way you have seen men organized
to rape children," said noted researcher Judith
Reisman,* who referred to the people behind the website
as the "Women's Auxiliary of NAMBLA," the North
American Man-Boy Love Association.
While the site's opening page features an apparently
wholesome photograph of a mother appreciating her child, "the
primary goal" of presenting the subsequent material is
clearly stated in the introduction as giving "women and
girls a tool for expressing their feelings and their love
about this controversial topic, and to get people to open
their minds to ideas about romantic and erotic attraction
between women and girls that our society in the past has not
been able to discuss openly and rationally."
WorldNetDaily was alerted to the website by
reader Sandra Hartle of Spanaway, Wash., a grandmother who
is part of a group that
has helped shut down about 1,000 pornographic sites on the
Microsoft Network's website communities.[http://groups.msn.com/]
She has discovered private sites on MSN depicting
elementary school-age boys with adult men, but found "Butterfly
Kisses" a particular threat to families like her own.
"Some of the information on this site is
so terrifying to someone who has three granddaughters that
I cannot express my shock," said Hartle.
"How someone could harm a child that is
so tender and vulnerable is beyond my wildest imaginations,"
she said, "but when a woman can and does violate that
child sexually it is somehow more devastating than even when
you hear of these things being done by men."
The "Butterfly Kisses" website indicates
it is hosted by an entity called "Ipce," which describes
itself as a "forum for people who are engaged in scholarly
discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual
relationships between children or adolescents and adults."
Ipce* description says, "In this context, these relationships
intended to be viewed from an unbiased, non-judgmental perspective
and in relation to the human rights of both the young and
The Butterfly Kisses and Ipce sites have
Web addresses that indicate their origin in the Netherlands.
A story in the Autumn 1987 issue of the Dutch-based Paidika:
Journal of Paedophilia recalls "The
Dutch Paedophile Emancipation Movement"* which led
to the world's most liberal laws on pedophilia.
Dutch law permits sex between an adult and a
person as young as 12 if the younger person consents.
Can legal action be taken against a site like
"Butterfly Kisses," which promotes an act barred
by U.S. state laws?
A private agency called Web
Police,* which investigates complaints of abuse on the
Internet, notes that U.S. laws do not apply to the
"We would have an officer in the Netherlands
address it according to the country's laws, morals and code
of ethics," said Peter Hampton, the founder of Web Police
and several related agencies. "We can't tell Holland
what should or should not be on the Internet."
But not much would likely be done in the Netherlands
either, Hampton told WorldNetDaily.
"Their problem is the same that the United
States has," he said. "No. 1, there has to be a
law enacted that addresses the Internet
Then, said Hampton, you would need to find a
prosecutor, judge and jury who all have the experience to
address an Internet-related case.
"The majority of the time you're not going
to find any of those, and that's where you run into your stone
wall," he said. "So then we have to go directly
to the suspect and see if we can resolve it
without the necessity of going through all that expense and
Hampton said he works regularly with the FBI,
but "they've got their hands full" with thousands
of complaints every day.
"We get 1,500 a day, so I can imagine what
the FBI gets," he said. "They simply can't address
all these issues and try to prosecute them. They don't have
the manpower and they don't have the teeth in the laws. The
president himself has said hands off the Internet, it's an
Hampton says that he gets an average of more
than 200 reports related to female pedophilia on the Internet
each day, including
websites, message boards and other forums.
It's growing, he says of the presence of female
pedophilia on the Web, though sites related to male pedophilia
are increasing at about 10 times the rate.
"But I was surprised that this was even
an issue," he said of female pedophilia. "It's been
since about two years ago that we've found it to be quite
Linda Halliday-Sumner, a sexual abuse consultant
in Courtenay, B.C., Canada, told WND that when she first began
in 1980, about 1.5 percent of her cases were women who abuse
minors. Within six years that increased to 11 to 13 percent.
In the last 10 years, she said, at least 33 percent of her
325 cases a year have been women.
"It is very underreported," she said
of the incidences of abuse by females. "When it is reported
it's often dismissed or laughed at as
not being serious. Motherhood and apple pie, you know
we don't do that sort of thing."
"I have been strongly attacked and criticized
because I've spoken out about female offenders," she
The Journal of Paedophilia devoted an entire
issue to the subject of women in 1992. In the introductory
article, which is posted on
"Butterfly Kisses," Marjan Sax and Sjuul Deckwitz
write that while
little is known about it, "As we dug more deeply into
our subject we discovered that erotic and sexual contacts
between women and children under the age of consent do indeed
occur. In speaking with female friends, once the shock of
embarking on a discussion of the concept of paedophilia wore
off, countless stories came out."
Studies in the 1980s by researchers David Finkelhor
and Diana Russell estimated that in the United States about
14 percent of abuse cases involving boys were perpetrated
by females. About 6 percent of the cases were of women who
While these studies give some clues, the true
number of women who have sexual contact with children is probably
severely underestimated, according to German psychologist
Marina Knopf. In an article on "Butterfly Kisses"
titled "Sexual Contacts Between Women and Children: Reflections
on an Unrealizable Research Project," Knopf said that
this could be because contacts by women are more of a taboo
than those by men.
She writes that it "is less spoken of,
more hidden, and the women do not have any groups they attend
or have formed themselves as
do men. ... The strength of this taboo might help explain
the enormous difficulty we had in finding women to interview."
Well-known pedophile advocate Pat Califia, who
has spoken at mainstream
institutions* such as Penn State University, writes in
article posted on the "Butterfly Kisses" site that,
"It is possible that sexual activity occurs more often
between mothers and children or other women than between men
and children. Women have more access to kids, and there are
fewer taboos surrounding women's handling young people's bodies."
Over the past ten years, book titles have included
"Female Sexual Abuse of Children," published in
1993 by Guilford Press, "When She
was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence," 1997
by Penguin Putnam, Inc. and "The Last Secret: Daughters
Sexually Abused by Mothers," by Safer Society Press.
"The incidence of mother-daughter sexual
abuse is unknown because it is a grossly underreported crime,"
according to a group called Making
Daughters Safe Again,* which calls itself the "only
organization in the world specializing in mother-daughter
sexual abuse."[* http://mdsasupport.homestead.com/index.html
Among the membership, comprised of women who
were abused by their mothers, less than 1 percent report that
any intervention occurred. An article on the MDSA
website* cites reasons for that, such as "the extreme
rarity of the offender seeking treatment, the victim reporting
the abuse, or the authorities discovering the crime."
Other reasons include the fact that "therapists, social
workers, doctors, teachers, etc., know very little about this
form of abuse and/or do not consider it a possibility."
Also, "perpetrators overwhelmingly appear like 'normal'
One MDSA member says about abuse by mothers:
"I think that
there is such a stigma to it. People don't want to hear about
it and don't want to know about it. I think it must be really
hard for people to hear that someone who is supposed to be
so supportive of us can betray us so badly."
A recent article by MDSA*,
which cites research on the subject, says that in the past
20 years, "the incidence of child sexual abuse jumped
from just one in a million to one in four or five children,"
according to a study by researcher Anne Stirling Hastings
in 2000.[* http://mdsasupport.homestead.com/files/fpsa.html
"In this time," the article says,
"the conception of female children as victims of inappropriate
male sexual behavior has dominated the research, and thus
our understanding of child sexual abuse. However, recent research
consistently reveals that females account for about one in
four offenders," according to Patricia Pearson's 1997
In their introduction to the Journal of Paedophilia
issue about women, Sax and Deckwitz go on to say, "When
we embarked on this study we were also surprised that so little
consideration had been given to the positive, fruitful side
of relationships between adult women and minors. In conversations
with female friends, we heard so many happy stories, related
with genuine pleasure, that our feeling was strengthened that
presenting a positive view of relationships between women
and young people was indeed justified."
The "Butterfly Kisses" site includes
links to branches of the Big Sisters organization and Girl
Scout websites, suggesting that these groups present good
opportunities for women who desire sexual relationships with
Resources on the pro-pedophile site include
articles under the heading of "Girl Scouts and Mentoring"
with titles such as "Women
Mentoring Girls," "Big Sisters," and "Lesbians
are to Scouting as Sunshine is to Summer."
In the site's reader forum, a participant identified
as "Jean" posted a message Sept. 16, 2001, that
said "this is the neatest forum. I have always been attracted
to little girls (8-10 yr olds)."
"Jean" said she is a volunteer swimming
instructor and asked members of the forum for their advice
on "making little girlfriends."
The following day, "Poppy" wrote
back and said, "You already have a convenient access
to little girls as a swimming coach. Try showing them that
you care about them more than your job asks you, i.e., help
them with their daily problems, get to know them and become
close with the girls who admire you."
Like "Poppy," many of the voices on
the "Butterfly Kisses" site insist that they engage
only in consensual relationships with children. "Poppy"
suggested to the swimming instructor that she could offer
to give a little course in kissing to a girl who seems to
be flirting with her.
"But whatever you do," she advised,
"don't force them to do anything they don't like. Good
Sax and Deckwitz try to address the obvious
argument that "because of the difference in ages, a relationship
between a minor and an adult is necessarily characterized
by too great a power imbalance. The basis of this objection
is that young people cannot always foresee the consequences
of their actions, and that creates an opportunity for adults
to use, or abuse, them. The wishes of the child are subordinated
to those of the adult."
The authors object to that concern, however,
arguing that "there is a power differential in every
relationship. With children, great power differences play
a role in their relationships with their parents, teachers,
and even sometimes with their peers. We are dissatisfied with
condemnations based on power imbalances."
Like male pedophile advocates, many female promoters
believe that children are being oppressed by adults who have
taken away their right to fully express their sexuality in
any way they see fit.
"Butterfly Kisses" includes a section
called "Rights Advocacy" with titles such as "Feminism,
Pedophilia and Children's Rights," by Pat Califia, "A
Child's Sexual Bill of Rights," "The North American
Woman-Girl Love Association" and "Sexual Revolution
and the Liberation of Children," by well-known feminist
Unlike the male homosexual movement, says
researcher Reisman, author of "Kinsey:
Crimes & Consequences," "the
feminist movement and that includes the lesbian movement
has been vocal about 'It's not right to have sex with
Nevertheless, Millett, author of the 1970 feminist
tome "Sexual Politics," said in a 1980 interview
reprinted in the book "The Age of
Taboo," that "certainly, one of children's essential
rights is to
express themselves sexually, probably primarily with each
other but with adults as well."
"Do you think that a tender, loving erotic
relationship can exist between a boy and a man?" Millett
"Of course," she answered, "or
between a female child and an older woman. Men and women have
loved each other for millennia, as have people of different
races. What I'm concerned about is the inequitous context
within which these relationships must exist. Of course, these
relationships can be non-exploitative and considering the
circumstances they are probably heroic and very wonderful;
but we have to admit that they can be exploitative as well
like in the prostitution of youth."
"Sexual Rights of Children," is an
article published in 2000 by the
Institute for Advanced
Study of Human Sexuality* in San Francisco, which was
founded by associates of famed sex researcher Alfred
Kinsey, a pedophile, according to Reisman's carefully documented
research. The article states that there is "considerable
evidence" that there is no "inherent harm in sexual
expression in childhood."
While some believe they have "scientific
evidence" to support that
assessment, the wounded lives of members of Making Daughters
Safe Again present a stark contradiction.
"Too often, I prefer to be alone, because
my heavy heart is too full of past pain," said one member.
"My children get either a robotic mom, a sad mom or an
empty mom. There are times when I meet their emotional needs,
but there are times when I need to, want to and can't. I have
to heal before it is too late."
Another lamented that "as a child my body
belonged to someone else and I had no boundaries. I never
felt safe or whole. It almost
feels like you are someone else. Almost as if you are the
abuser. That you and her are one person."
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MDSA is the only organization in the world specializing
in mother-daughter sexual abuse. We are also distinguished
by the innovative online group experience we provide for survivors.
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Hello and welcome to "Butterfly Kisses".
This web site is about and for women who are attracted to
pre-teen and adolescent girls. Our primary goal is to give
women and girls a tool for expressing their feelings and their
love about this controversial topic, and to get people to
open their minds to ideas about romantic and erotic attraction
between women and girls that our society in the past has not
been able to discuss openly and rationally. We also want to
provide a place where women and girls can express themselves
and can learn about their love in an atmosphere where they
encouraged to feel good about themselves and their sexuality.
Obviously, the information presented here is of an open and
frank sexual nature and there is no "tap dancing"
topics. Hopefully, this will actually be a comfort to everyone
because it will present "touchy" subject of female
childlove to people to think about, without having to be influenced
by sex-oppressed media, religion and governments. The topics
discussed, articles/essays posted and the stories/poetry written
on this site are different from what society's expectations
of women and girls are, and as such this site strives to liberate
women and girls from the oppression imposed on their sexuality.
Within the pages of Butterfly Kisses you will
find sexual issues and topics of female, and particularly
lesbian pedophilia, and some
of them will probably make some people uncomfortable. Some
people will be pleased and some will be angry. But ALL should
make you THINK. Our society needs to learn how to discuss
highly controversial subjects without the "knee-jerk"
reaction so prevalent today. Many of these topics, if we will
just stop over-reacting to them and calmly, rationally think
about them, may turn out to be less controversial than we
thought. We might even see a side to the issue that we had
never considered before, which helps us to better understand
the controversy. It is only when we understand the various
sides to an issue and are ready to discuss it calmly and rationally,
that we can begin to effectively deal with it.
This web site is divided in several different
sections to make it easier for everyone to navigate through
its pages. In "Speaking Out" you can read about
real life stories and about female desires and love for little
girls. You can also send us your own stories and poems about
woman/girl love and we will add them to our list. You can
also do your own research into woman/girl love by exploring
our "Media Guide" archives or "Library"
where you can find many examples of women's attraction to
little girls, either written in books, painted on canvas or
acted out in the movies. We are always on the lookout for
more examples of female childlove, so if you have any that
are missing from our site, we would be more than happy to
add them to our list.
I hope you will enjoy this web site!
(I wish to thank Xalex and Flickorna for their
help with this web site, ipce* for donating their web space,
and everyone else whose material appears on this site.)[*
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(all with links to article/details)
The History of Girls' School Stories by
Ju Gosling 16/04/01
Guides to be Given Lessons in Lesbianism Press Cutting 25/04/01
The Domain of the Wandervogel Girls by Marion E.P. de Ras
The Cookie Crumbles: The Girl Scouts go PC. by Kathryn Jean
Women Mentoring Girls by Samantha 21/06/01
Public Schools Encourage Homosexuality by Bernadette Boyd
One W.N.B.A. Team's Social Leap in Marketing by Harvey Araton
Girl Scouts Attacked for Inclusion of Lesbians and Gays by
June B. Mire, Ph.D. 23/06/01
National Organization for Women (NOW) Guidelines for Schools
Sanction of Homosexuality and Lesbianism by N.O.W 23/06/01
Big Sisters by Sonya Weir 04/09/01
Little Girls Need Big Girls To Look Up To WNBA 04/09/01
The St. Paul Pioneer Press Report by The St. Paul Pioneer
Girl Scout Camp Recruits Children of Lesbians by Joyce Howard
It's a Girl Thing by Sally Sheklow 26/09/01
Alternative Fun in the Summer Sun by Michael Betsch 22/12/01
'Female Liberalism' Pervades Girl Scouts by Jason Pierce 22/12/01
Not Your Mother's Girl Scouts by Kathryn Jean Lopez 22/12/01
Lesbians are to Scouting as Sunshine is to Summer... by Andrea
L.T. Peterson 06/01/02
Girl Scouts Under Fire by Bill Berkowitz 06/01/02
A new program thinks of itself as a gay and lesbian Big rothers/Big
Sisters by Beth Berlo 06/01/02
Differences That Matter and Indifference in Education by Unknown
Girls on Art Course Learn About Lesbianism and Cucumbers from
Child Mentor Program Advances by Adriana
Teacher Made me Feel Special by Roberta Avery 10/07/02
'I Didn't Want Her to Get into Trouble' by Roberta Avery 10/07/02
Teacher Sent Girl Suggestive Message by Roberta Avery 10/07/02
Gay and Lesbian Scouts Received With Open Arms in Tolerant
Canada by James Brooke 20/07/02
Steamy Notes Improved Grades by Francine Dubé 20/07/02
Barrie Teacher Acquitted of Sex Assault by Francine Dubé
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The following appeared in "Lesbian Connection"
(USA, November- December 1997). It is a response to an article
to Abuse" that appeared in an earlier "Lesbian Connection.
About the 15-year-old and abuse: I would like
to add what I think is a unique perspective. From 8th grade
through my high school graduation I was in a relationship
with one of my coaches. I now have a 14-1/2-year-old dyke
daughter who dates and is sexually active with adult women.
While I abhor all types of child abuse perpetrated
by anyone, straight or lesbian, let's not ignore some realities
here. First, who cares if it is "breaking the law"
to have sex with a minor? In my state it is also a crime for
me to have sex with my wife. The law has no business in my
bedroom, or for that matter, preventing me from marrying another
woman. So let's not be too fast in supporting the law.
Second, as teens and pre-teens, many women --
lesbian-- had crushes on older women: teachers, coaches, actresses,
etc. This is natural! And for some of us, these feelings were
reciprocated by the adult women, and developed into gentle,
loving relationships. Although my coach was closeted, she
was not hesitant to have sex with me at 14 (she was 26). We
parted when I graduated from high school and left for college.
I will always be grateful to her for bringing me out. And
the so-called experts want to say that I was exploited and
manipulated? Give me a break! Any power imbalance was in my
favor -- my coach was always giving and loving and tender,
and never demanding! Was I damaged by the relationship? Praise
the goddess, no! It did nothing but affirm my love for women.
I have always been open with my daughter about
my lesbianism. While I would never try to manipulate her sexuality,
I am very proud to be the lesbian mother of a lesbian daughter!
At age nine she started having sex with other girls with my
support and approval. My daughter looks femme, yet acts very
butch and is completely secure in her sexuality. Her early
experiences were with girls at school, in the neighborhood,
on sports teams, etc. Actually, she had a lot of them. Then
at age 12 she developed a crush on one of my friends. She
told me about her feelings, and I replied directly and emphatically
that I approved. Since that time she has mostly dated adult
women. Whether we want to admit it or not, there are lots
of lesbians who include teenage girls among the types of women
they find appealing, sexually and otherwise.
As teens, some lesbians had their own loving
sexual encounters with adult women. It is hypocritical for
them to now deny that same opportunity to contemporary teenage
lesbians. To me the ones being controlling and manipulative
are those who tell the teens they must not have sex with adult
women. Now that is control!
Rather than labelling them as "baby dykes"
and dismissing them, we should encourage girls to come out
and support them through
mentoring relationships (and yes, even intimate relationships
adult lesbians when the feelings are mutual). My wife and
dedicated ourselves to being good role models for these girls.
We refuse to dismiss or minimize their sexuality, and we support
their inherent right to express it, even with adult women.
'Monica', Oklahoma City, OK.
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I first want to congratulate you on creating
this wonderful web site. It's nice to see that lesbians are
capable of intergenerational love, andspecially love for little
girls. Although I'm not a girl-loving lesbian, I'm still a
lesbian and I have and interesting experience from my childhood
which probably determined my sexual orientation.
From the time I was eight years old I
was babysat by a girl who was in her twenties. Her name was
Mary and at first there was nothing unusual about her. I remember
I loved to be around her and I couldn't wait for her to come
to our home and look after me. It was mostly because she loved
to play games with me and gave me all her attention to the
point I wished she was my sister and lived with us in our
After couple of months since she first started
to look after me, she became more affectionate towards me.
She was giving me kisses whenever she had an opportunity,
which was almost all the time. And I loved to be the center
of attention, of course. Who wouldn't at that age. I never
found her affection to be forced upon me. It was almost as
if it came naturally, in course of our friendship. We couldn't
play anymore without embracing first, and we kissed and hugged
as often as we could. She was always so gentle and caring.
I don't remember a time that she yelled at me even when I
know I deserved it on several occasions. After some time I
even stopped looking at her as my babysitter but as my playmate,
a best friend, someone who is equal to me and who shared my
interests and ideas.
Mary continued to babysit me for years, or more
exactly until I turned eleven. During this time our friendship
grew to a real, grown up love. We were lovers even though
I didn't know it back then. We became more intimate, she taught
me how to masturbate when I was only nine and she often went
to bed with me during my afternoon naps where we continued
to play with our bodies. I was never shy around her. She gave
me countless baths and I learned more about my body during
the baths with her, than I did by exploring it myself.
Our time together wasn't always spent on sex.
She took me out to the movies, playgrounds, fun fairs. She
loved to meet my
girlfriends from school and she always played with us, trying
to create as much fun for us as possible. Sometimes the attention
she gave the other girls made me jealous and then I would
refuse to speak to her. I pretended not to care about her,
not to love her any more, but she knew it was only a phase
and as soon as we were alone again I was hers and hers only.
There was nothing to stop us from sharing our love.
Then one day my parents decided I was too big
to have a babysitter. It was the worst time in my life. I
was eleven and entering puberty. I needed all support I could
get and Mary was just the person I was looking for. But she
couldn't see me anymore without attracting suspicion. We wrote
letters to each others but it wasn't the same. I needed her
hugs and kisses, I needed someone to hold me and look after
me. I don't remember how many times I went to bed crying,
thinking about her.
This withdrawal period lasted for six months
until I got used to her
absence. But by that time I was becoming aware of other girls
and my feelings for them. It was always girls, never boys
that I looked at, admired and loved. And so since I've lost
Mary, other girls and women entered my life. I grew up knowing
I was different, that I was a lesbian.
At the end, I just wish to say that you have
all support from lesbians like me. There are little girls
who need your love and guidance and who will cherish it all
their lives. Please continue to work on this wonderful web
site and most important of all - continue loving your
Love and Kisses,
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Why don't mothers encourage their daughters
and often? Why don't they caress their daughter's clits...?
While I think I know some aspects of the answer
to this question, it seems to me that nature is on the side
of masturbation, not the
mothers who discourage their daughters sexual exploration.
Either in masturbatory expression or sexual activity with
I was recently reminded of the function of the
clitoris in some reading that I was doing. It has NO function
other than providing sexual pleasure. It is unrelated to reproduction.
It has no connection to the elimination of body waste.
It is solely for sexual stimulation, the end
result of which is sexual
orgasm. It is tiny, yet so powerful. Nothing in nature indicates
that its use begins at puberty, or that it is only to be used
in heterosexual contact. Girls lubricate vaginally soon after
birth. Sexual potential is present from birth. The clitoris
provides sexual stimulation early in childhood.
Mothers should be about teaching their daughters
about their clits. We all should be about honoring the clits
between the legs of young girls.
They even have pinups of young girls:
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They are proud of what they do and print their
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